Look what Firefox 2.0 does 

The new version of Firefox makes an RSS feed all nice and comforting -- not scary.

Yuck! I'm not ready yet 

30% chance of snow in Chicago tomorrow morning. I'm seriously bummed.

Let's just see 

I think Tara's probably in Jam chat by now. Let's go see what she thought of the conference.

Betraying a fondness for OPML geeks 

Jim Moore uses the occasion of the Office 2.0 conference to sing an ode to OPML, mentioning our podcast jam outline. I think Jim must count himself among the little band of OPML geeks. We are a clever lot, so resourceful and kind. We love our mothers, keep our children's clothing in good repair, and always have an extra minute to give our cats a cuddle. We dearly love a good joke and tend to be well-read.

Page 5 - Q&A II 

11/10/2006 08:45:12 ‹ElisaCam› but it doesn't translate to a change in the overall application

11/10/2006 08:46:19 ‹anne z› ha ha, I'm reading the start of the transcript "raining men!"

11/10/2006 08:46:36 ‹ElisaCam› "Decwntralization of everything is not nirvana"

11/10/2006 08:46:56 ‹ElisaCam› You want some clustering and peer-to-peer etc.

11/10/2006 08:47:37 ‹ElisaCam› OK, that was it

11/10/2006 08:47:39 ‹ElisaCam› Ta da!!

11/10/2006 08:48:04 ‹amyloo› *Applause*

11/10/2006 08:48:04 ‹anne z› Thanks, Elisa, that was awesome! Wish I could have been here from the beginning

11/10/2006 08:48:19 ‹amyloo› You must be exhausted.

Page 4 - Q&A 

11/10/2006 08:36:38 ‹ElisaCam› 10 minutes left and finally opening it up for questions

11/10/2006 08:36:56 ‹ElisaCam› Dave somebody

11/10/2006 08:37:10 ‹ElisaCam› Identifies himself an 8 on office 2.0 scale

11/10/2006 08:37:43 ‹ElisaCam› Q. what's trade-off between innovation vs. stability by working with large company (for the user, for the atart-up.)

11/10/2006 08:38:14 ‹ElisaCam› Esther: About risk: more innovation from start-up [Editor's note: I wouldn't say that's always true.]

11/10/2006 08:38:41 ‹ElisaCam› IM was first used by people. not workers

11/10/2006 08:38:49 ‹ElisaCam› Most exciting stuff will happen C2C

11/10/2006 08:39:01 ‹ElisaCam› moving from managing life to managing work life

11/10/2006 08:39:12 ‹ElisaCam› [Editor's note: so maybe Apple's ad campaign isn't as bad as I think it is.]

11/10/2006 08:39:36 ‹ElisaCam› New question: How does she feel the traditional busioness process mgmt. structure will map to Office 2.0?

11/10/2006 08:39:49 ‹ElisaCam› Answer: Dfficult accommodation for a long time

11/10/2006 08:40:04 ‹ElisaCam› Users can develop own processes, but at some point businesses will decide they want everyone to do it the same way

11/10/2006 08:40:17 ‹ElisaCam› how do you consoliodate the lightweight processing users use with more heavyweight that corporate departments use

11/10/2006 08:40:32 * anne z joins jam chat

11/10/2006 08:40:37 ‹ElisaCam› Corporation fights again flexibility and freedom, yet welcoming the explicitness

11/10/2006 08:41:23 ‹ElisaCam› "People shouldn't see the scaffolding, but that's a big challenge."

11/10/2006 08:42:31 * ElisaCam quit (timeout)

11/10/2006 08:44:34 ‹ElisaCam› got cut off again

11/10/2006 08:44:59 ‹ElisaCam› Esther is making the point that sure, individual wikis will have individual users who are like the people who come in a meeting room and move around the chairs

11/10/2006 08:45:04 ‹ElisaCam› and they make that individual wiki work

11/10/2006 08:45:12 ‹ElisaCam› but it doesn't translate to a change in the overall application

11/10/2006 08:46:19 ‹anne z› ha ha, I'm reading the start of the transcript "raining men!"

11/10/2006 08:46:36 ‹ElisaCam› "Decwntralization of everything is not nirvana"

11/10/2006 08:46:56 ‹ElisaCam› You want some clustering and peer-to-peer etc.

Page 3 

11/10/2006 08:24:58 ‹ElisaCam› Big companies: they don't trust anyone, and we don't trust them.

11/10/2006 08:25:18 ‹ElisaCam› Farber: why do we put our money in the bank? [Editor's note: Ok, dude...that was obscure ;)]

11/10/2006 08:25:51 * ElisaCam quit (timeout)

11/10/2006 08:26:31 ‹amyloo› Oops. Wifi must have gone dark. Or Elisa fainted from fevered livechatblogging.

11/10/2006 08:31:15 * ElisaCam joins jam chat

11/10/2006 08:31:28 ‹ElisaCam› I'm back I hope

11/10/2006 08:31:42 ‹ElisaCam› What would it take to make Estehr Office 2.0

11/10/2006 08:31:50 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: Something she doesn't think will happen:

11/10/2006 08:31:55 ‹ElisaCam› 1. reliably and perennially connected

11/10/2006 08:31:57 ‹ElisaCam› 2. Easy to use

11/10/2006 08:32:02 ‹ElisaCam› 3. Integrated

11/10/2006 08:32:08 ‹ElisaCam› 4. Activity Manager, not data manager

11/10/2006 08:32:19 ‹ElisaCam› previous points:

11/10/2006 08:32:32 ‹ElisaCam› Farber: If we're all open source and pure web the world will be better place?

11/10/2006 08:32:36 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: Unless it's not!

11/10/2006 08:32:45 ‹ElisaCam› Faber: So we're stuck with a "hybrid"

11/10/2006 08:32:50 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: It's not "Syuck"

11/10/2006 08:32:56 ‹ElisaCam› The Hybrid=diversity

11/10/2006 08:32:59 ‹ElisaCam› which is good

11/10/2006 08:33:00 ‹amyloo› Oh good, because this is good stuff. Perennially connected is a problem!

11/10/2006 08:34:09 ‹ElisaCam› Point of Office 2.0 to scale big company applications and solutions into chunks for everyone

11/10/2006 08:34:35 ‹ElisaCam› She wants to be able to do it for processes too

11/10/2006 08:34:52 ‹ElisaCam› most people here are more concerned with content, but the activity management stuff is the thing thagt's really going to make the difference.

11/10/2006 08:35:24 ‹ElisaCam› Farber: By your definition, Office 2.0 isn't so much about whetehr it's in the cloud or not, but what it enables you to do

11/10/2006 08:35:36 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: If it becomes successful it won't be because it makes word processing more fun

11/10/2006 08:35:41 ‹ElisaCam› It's about ease of collaboration

11/10/2006 08:35:47 ‹ElisaCam› and it's not about collaborative editing

11/10/2006 08:35:50 ‹ElisaCam› it's about managing tasks

11/10/2006 08:36:06 ‹ElisaCam› Wikis; no intelligence to know whether right people are participating or not

11/10/2006 08:36:12 ‹ElisaCam› It has no verbs, it's all nouns

11/10/2006 08:36:17 ‹ElisaCam› collaboration is about verbs

11/10/2006 08:36:38 ‹ElisaCam› 10 minutes left and finally opening it up for questions

Page 2 

11/10/2006 08:14:14 ‹ElisaCam› Talking about Groove now...flawed product, but a good example of what she's talking about

11/10/2006 08:14:48 ‹ElisaCam› Farber: everything is now more collaboration/people-based than "1.0", but many of my friends say "just go to the wiki", but no one really goes there.

11/10/2006 08:14:59 ‹ElisaCam› [Editor's note: SO agree.]

11/10/2006 08:15:13 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: the problem with the wiki is that it's not exclusive enough

11/10/2006 08:15:40 ‹ElisaCam› We're good ay information mgmt.

11/10/2006 08:16:00 ‹ElisaCam› If we could drive someone to the wiki theat might now work, but we're not good at lightweight processing. The wiki is a container, but it's not a manager

11/10/2006 08:16:25 ‹ElisaCam› [Editor's Note: or it manages via one more email in your inbox...what big imporvement is that?]

11/10/2006 08:16:55 ‹ElisaCam› The wiki is like a petri dish, but we need rules. If this guy doesn't respond in 3 days, ping me and him. If the sales managers don't submit their plans by next tuesday, send us messages

11/10/2006 08:17:02 ‹ElisaCam› The software doesn't exist

11/10/2006 08:17:24 ‹ElisaCam› [Editor's question: What about BaseCamp...isn't it supposed to have that kind of timeline based project management?]

11/10/2006 08:17:48 ‹ElisaCam› Explicit without being brittle-Dyson

11/10/2006 08:18:07 ‹ElisaCam› Farber: how do you get standards so not a bunch of walled gardens?

11/10/2006 08:18:51 ‹ElisaCam› Sounds like Esther wants a computerized mpersonal assistant...seeing cost of orbotz reservation, create an expesne report, add to calendar etc.

11/10/2006 08:19:42 ‹ElisaCam› Farber: what stage do you think we're at with a self-aware software that does want you want it to do, ratehr than you conform to how it works

11/10/2006 08:19:49 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: we're wanting it, but not getting it

11/10/2006 08:20:06 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: only willing to invest if product out there has good management team

11/10/2006 08:20:15 ‹ElisaCam› when companies disappear it's usually about management, not product

11/10/2006 08:20:48 ‹ElisaCam› Faber: Is having software in the cloud that mimics what's in the desktop enough?

11/10/2006 08:21:04 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: Nope. You don't dislodge a leader by doing what they do better. You dislodge them by doing something different.

11/10/2006 08:21:21 ‹ElisaCam› Google didn't dislodge Microsoft with Google office. they weren't directly competitive, although they will end up being so

11/10/2006 08:21:43 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: Right now there are more technologies thna business models. A lot of start-ups will wait for VCs to tell them what the business model is

11/10/2006 08:21:51 ‹ElisaCam› But VCs like to see business model first...disconnect

11/10/2006 08:22:10 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: Big business model of future: value-added storage

11/10/2006 08:22:19 ‹ElisaCam› Big challenge=security

11/10/2006 08:22:27 ‹ElisaCam› Do I trust my data with start-up that might not be around in a year

11/10/2006 08:22:42 ‹ElisaCam› Do I trust my data with a big company, but it might be supboena'ed

11/10/2006 08:22:49 ‹ElisaCam› Do I want my data mingled with someone else's?

11/10/2006 08:22:50 ‹ElisaCam› etc.etc

11/10/2006 08:23:10 ‹amyloo› You're doing great.

11/10/2006 08:23:27 ‹ElisaCam› Dyson: democratizing access-used to have to be a big company with IT department to use collaboration tools etc.

11/10/2006 08:23:31 ‹ElisaCam› thanks

11/10/2006 08:23:44 ‹ElisaCam› Now you'll be able to build those tools out of "the sky"

11/10/2006 08:23:51 ‹ElisaCam› The disadvantage of being small is minimized

11/10/2006 08:24:09 ‹ElisaCam› Flexibiolity and collaboration across boundaries is easier for little guys

11/10/2006 08:24:18 ‹ElisaCam› Big company culture less able to adapt to that

Almost live from the Podcast Jam chatroom 

Elisa Camahort is livechatblogging Dan Farber's interview with Esther Dyson. Come on in.

11/10/2006 08:01:20 ‹ElisaCam› It's raining men here at Office 2.0

11/10/2006 08:01:20 ‹amyloo› Me, too, I'm afraid, and even so my

notes are usually a horror, not useful even to me.

11/10/2006 08:01:53 ‹amyloo› What's the ratio, roughly. I imagine

you're getting to be a pro at judging that!

11/10/2006 8:03:16 ‹ElisaCam› I see less than 10 women

11/10/2006 08:03:20 ‹ElisaCam› and we're all probably speakers

11/10/2006 08:03:26 ‹amyloo› Oh dear.

11/10/2006 08:03:28 ‹ElisaCam› But it's damn early in the morning

:)

11/10/2006 08:03:45 ‹ElisaCam› It'll be more realistic to check a

little later.

11/10/2006 08:04:14 ‹amyloo› You'd think folks would want to turn

out to hear Esther. What's her topic?

11/10/2006 08:04:34 ‹ElisaCam› Don't even know

11/10/2006 08:04:45 ‹ElisaCam› I would not say the communication

on WHAT we're talking about has been great

11/10/2006 08:04:55 ‹ElisaCam› OK, we're starting

11/10/2006 08:05:24 ‹ElisaCam› Ipod was given to every attendee

11/10/2006 08:05:37 ‹ElisaCam› the IPod is pre-loaded with speaker

bios andphotos and conference schedule

11/10/2006 08:05:38 ‹amyloo› That was a class act.

11/10/2006 08:05:47 ‹ElisaCam› Because of DRM if you plug it into

your PC, though, it will be lost

11/10/2006 08:05:50 ‹ElisaCam› So complain to Steve Jobs

11/10/2006 08:05:55 ‹ElisaCam› (This is Ismael speaking now)

11/10/2006 08:07:01 ‹ElisaCam› Subject of Dyson interview: what

Web 2.0 really is, and where it's going to go

11/10/2006 08:07:12 ‹ElisaCam› Dan Farber is the interviewer

11/10/2006 08:07:18 ‹ElisaCam› I hope there is something fresh to

say on this!

11/10/2006 08:07:31 ‹amyloo› I guess we'll see...

11/10/2006 08:08:02 ‹ElisaCam› "We want to be a part of Office 2.0

even if we don't know exactly what that is" Dan Farber

11/10/2006 08:08:43 ‹ElisaCam› This interview is about "setting the table" surfing over many of the issues that will be discussed over the next 2 days-Farber

11/10/2006 08:10:08 ‹ElisaCam› Q1: "Easy to imagine and hard to believe": esther's opening statement about Ismael's mission statement for Office 2.0

11/10/2006 08:10:28 ‹ElisaCam› Most things start with the elite and then they spread-Dyson

11/10/2006 08:10:40 ‹amyloo› Elisa, do you mind if I post this to my blog as long as I'm copying and pasting? It might draw some people in. I'll try not to talk to you after this; I know it's distracting.

11/10/2006 08:10:50 ‹ElisaCam› No problem

11/10/2006 08:11:01 ‹ElisaCam› Esther: Let's start with what we can build towards this ideal platform

11/10/2006 08:11:27 ‹ElisaCam› (It's a small part of the world that has the kind of connectivity and bandwidth that we or perhaps Korea has)

11/10/2006 08:11:58 ‹ElisaCam› Work 2.0 is less about spreadsheets and word processing than it is about activity management

11/10/2006 08:11:59 ‹ElisaCam› tasks

11/10/2006 08:12:01 ‹ElisaCam› collaboration

11/10/2006 08:12:04 ‹ElisaCam› setting up work flow

11/10/2006 08:12:34 ‹ElisaCam› Need to design own workflow, bring relevant people in, attach relevant documents

11/10/2006 08:13:10 ‹ElisaCam› Synchronization of tasks is probably the real benefit of Work 2.0...not so much the content within, but the status: where is it, who has it, who's working on it?

11/10/2006 08:13:35 ‹ElisaCam› Google Docs won't fix it

11/10/2006 08:13:47 ‹ElisaCam› The biggest anti-Microsoft force right now is in Microsoft

11/10/2006 08:13:50 ‹ElisaCam› That is Ray Ozzie

Little theatre 

Rockboom shows a kid claymation production full of pathos, pirates and aliens. Let's hear it for creative kids, and programs for them that teach the arts in an interdisciplinary way. I have fond memories of a summer program when I was in junior high that ended in a puppet show and included loosely structured instruction in playwriting, acting, set design, paper mache sculpting and costuming.

Well.... 

Google Docs can't handle Word files with really complicated formatting. That won't be important for many users. It is for me.

The email-a-file-to-upload-it feature seems like it could be useful. It's superfast.